I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

[Tulip]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">move along now!
there's nothing to see here...
just take our word for it </div></div>

I cannot say that's not one possible response that I would have considered. In this particular case, I'd probably lean more toward what's it to you?

I have not felt obligated to explain or defend every move I made to anyone since i was a child.

DNA results would be doubted as if all of mankind could even decipher them or there was a space big enough to pile up and perform the tests. It's a no win situation. There never was and never will be any proof that satisfies everyone so why would I waste time continuously trying to prove it?

[RichD]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

in other words gov'ts should have no accountability &amp; that should be accepted?
and they should not be challenged? </div></div>

what is the challenge you are making? and what are the grounds of your challenge? or is it challenge for challenges sake?


most of the time what i hear is a challenge of the intellect and logic and motivation of people who do not agree with your (generic your not you specifically) position rather than a challenge of the government actions.

it would be much more useful to the discussion if you state position and make a case to defend your position rather than mock people who might believe differently.





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obviously i believe in gov't transparency...
the glaring feature of totalitarian oppressive states is lack of transparency- secrecy if you will;
it is amazing to me that something as big as the bin laden killing (as just one example) could be just settled based on an account from the gov't with no independent verification...
i suppose that in the name of national security this can be accepted
but i just find it alarming that this whole thing can go down extra-judicial with no cross-examination from the characters involved...no evidence...and the world just accepts it &amp; moves on...to me this is a scary thing;

obviously our bankrupt political system can not/ will not challenge this...and the people have come to feel so powerless under the weight of the propaganda machine that they can't effectively organize against the machine...
another feature of totalitarianism--- an inability of the population to challenge the power of the gov't;
you can't fight city hall </div></div>

i think the ability to question the official story is stronger than it has ever been..this notion that the government is somehow manipulating the media and the only information that is available is what the gov want out seems kind of ludicrous to me.



information is available at your fingertips from all corners of the globe.

[MsPeaches]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes


<span style="font-weight: bold"> OH REALLY?!</span>

Didn't you hear just a few weeks ago Mr. Obama threatening to close down the entire Internet?! Why do you think he's doing that? So Al Qaeda operatives can't talk to each other??!

IMHO it's so that ordinary citizens in his so-called 'democracy' can't share information or discuss anymore whether or not he's reliable when it comes to the truth.

And why has the American Department of Defense and other so-called 'security agencies' spent so many millions of dollars in the past 10-15 years developing and producing utterly bizarre new weapons to be used for 'crowd control'?!
Do you really think - especially after Katrina - that these weapons are for use overseas? NO, they are there for use in America the Beautiful so that the disgust that's developing in that fair land won't get out of hand!

[RichD]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MsPeaches</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold"> OH REALLY?!</span>

Didn't you hear just a few weeks ago Mr. Obama threatening to close down the entire Internet?!
</div></div> no i did not hear that...would you mind providing a link to your source please

[Derek]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

in other words gov'ts should have no accountability &amp; that should be accepted?
and they should not be challenged? </div></div>

what is the challenge you are making? and what are the grounds of your challenge? or is it challenge for challenges sake?


most of the time what i hear is a challenge of the intellect and logic and motivation of people who do not agree with your (generic your not you specifically) position rather than a challenge of the government actions.

it would be much more useful to the discussion if you state position and make a case to defend your position rather than mock people who might believe differently.





</div></div>

obviously i believe in gov't transparency...
the glaring feature of totalitarian oppressive states is lack of transparency- secrecy if you will;
it is amazing to me that something as big as the bin laden killing (as just one example) could be just settled based on an account from the gov't with no independent verification...
i suppose that in the name of national security this can be accepted
but i just find it alarming that this whole thing can go down extra-judicial with no cross-examination from the characters involved...no evidence...and the world just accepts it &amp; moves on...to me this is a scary thing;

obviously our bankrupt political system can not/ will not challenge this...and the people have come to feel so powerless under the weight of the propaganda machine that they can't effectively organize against the machine...
another feature of totalitarianism--- an inability of the population to challenge the power of the gov't;
you can't fight city hall </div></div>

i think the ability to question the official story is stronger than it has ever been..this notion that the government is somehow manipulating the media and the only information that is available is what the gov want out seems kind of ludicrous to me.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You're implying that governments DON'T or don't try to manipulate the media? You're joking, right?</div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 11pt">information is available at your fingertips from all corners of the globe</span></span>. </div></div>

But you don't seem to want to believe it unless it is government endorsed.

[jah_yout]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

in other words gov'ts should have no accountability &amp; that should be accepted?
and they should not be challenged? </div></div>

what is the challenge you are making? and what are the grounds of your challenge? or is it challenge for challenges sake?


most of the time what i hear is a challenge of the intellect and logic and motivation of people who do not agree with your (generic your not you specifically) position rather than a challenge of the government actions.

it would be much more useful to the discussion if you state position and make a case to defend your position rather than mock people who might believe differently.





</div></div>

obviously i believe in gov't transparency...
the glaring feature of totalitarian oppressive states is lack of transparency- secrecy if you will;
it is amazing to me that something as big as the bin laden killing (as just one example) could be just settled based on an account from the gov't with no independent verification...
i suppose that in the name of national security this can be accepted
but i just find it alarming that this whole thing can go down extra-judicial with no cross-examination from the characters involved...no evidence...and the world just accepts it &amp; moves on...to me this is a scary thing;

obviously our bankrupt political system can not/ will not challenge this...and the people have come to feel so powerless under the weight of the propaganda machine that they can't effectively organize against the machine...
another feature of totalitarianism--- an inability of the population to challenge the power of the gov't;
you can't fight city hall </div></div>

i think the ability to question the official story is stronger than it has ever been..<span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">this notion that the government is somehow manipulating the media and the only information that is available is what the gov want out seems kind of ludicrous to me</span>.</span>

information is available at your fingertips from all corners of the globe.

</div></div>


LOL...

how quickly we forget iraq &amp; weapons of mass destruction...
no the gov't would never do that

[Derek]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

obviously i believe in gov't transparency...
the glaring feature of totalitarian oppressive states is lack of transparency- secrecy if you will;
it is amazing to me that something as big as the bin laden killing (as just one example) could be just settled based on an account from the gov't with no independent verification...
i suppose that in the name of national security this can be accepted
but i just find it alarming that this whole thing can go down extra-judicial with no cross-examination from the characters involved...no evidence...and the world just accepts it &amp; moves on...to me this is a scary thing;

obviously our bankrupt political system can not/ will not challenge this...and the people have come to feel so powerless under the weight of the propaganda machine that they can't effectively organize against the machine...
another feature of totalitarianism--- an inability of the population to challenge the power of the gov't;
you can't fight city hall </div></div>

i think the ability to question the official story is stronger than it has ever been..<span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">this notion that the government is somehow manipulating the media and the only information that is available is what the gov want out seems kind of ludicrous to me</span>.</span>

information is available at your fingertips from all corners of the globe.

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LOL...

how quickly we forget iraq &amp; weapons of mass destruction...
no the gov't would never do that [/quote]

<span style="font-weight: bold">When I said Saddam doesn't have any WMD and this is just an excuse to bomb Iraq and get rid of him...............</span>

[RichD]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
LOL...

how quickly we forget iraq &amp; weapons of mass destruction...
no the gov't would never do that </div></div>

read what i said carefully &quot;the only information that is available&quot; that is the relevant part..

some choose to believe the information the gov puts out others choose to trust other sources....the key poitn in that there are other sources and the giv does not control all of them.

[RichD]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But you don't seem to want to believe it unless it is government endorsed. </div></div>

why do you have that impression? because i question information you post? i ask question to try to understand..when something does not seem to add up to me i ask question to try to fill in the gaps. if you have all the gaps filled in in your mind why would you be unwilling to help those less fortunate?

[Derek]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
LOL...

how quickly we forget iraq &amp; weapons of mass destruction...
no the gov't would never do that </div></div>

read what i said carefully &quot;the only information that is available&quot; that is the relevant part..

some choose to believe the information the gov puts out others choose to trust other sources....the key poitn in that there are other sources and the giv does not control all of them. </div></div>

No governments don't control all the other sources; they instead control what people think when presented with an alternative point-of-view: conspiracy theorist, crazy, kool-aid, etc.

[Derek]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But you don't seem to want to believe it unless it is government endorsed. </div></div>

why do you have that impression? because i question information you post? i ask question to try to understand..when something does not seem to add up to me i ask question to try to fill in the gaps. if you have all the gaps filled in in your mind why would you be unwilling to help those less fortunate? </div></div>

I have far more gaps to fill than you brother...

[RichD]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

thanks anyway.

i will continue to seek enlightenment on my own.

[RichD]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

No governments don't control all the other sources; they instead control what people think when presented with an alternative point-of-view: conspiracy theorist, crazy, kool-aid, etc. </div></div>

everybody tries to use the same methodology.

[Derek]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

No governments don't control all the other sources; they instead control what people think when presented with an alternative point-of-view: conspiracy theorist, crazy, kool-aid, etc. </div></div>

everybody tries to use the same methodology.



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I've never insulted anyone for believing 19 Arabs boarded four planes without being spotted; fooled the entire US intelligence and security apparatus; prevented NORAD from responding (they had a 100% record before 911); that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition BEFORE there was time to set up explosives (usually takes about one month - and the BBC was reporting it while it was still up in the background!); an Arab passport was found in the rubble; that nice neat hole in the Pentagon wasn't a missile it was a plane (without seats, fuselage and engines).

I've never insulted anyone.

[RichD]

Re: I’m going to be boring (again) for three minutes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've never insulted anyone for believing 19 Arabs boarded four planes without being spotted; fooled the entire US intelligence and security apparatus; prevented NORAD from responding (they had a 100% record before 911); that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition BEFORE there was time to set up explosives (usually takes about one month - and the BBC was reporting it while it was still up in the background!); an Arab passport was found in the rubble; that nice neat hole in the Pentagon wasn't a missile it was a plane (without seats, fuselage and engines).

I've never insulted anyone. </div></div>

some people might take the suggestion that they lack common sense as an insult...but not me ..i don't want anything common....